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Jeremy Greene's avatar

Fact check: the case was originally brought by Republicans.

So even though Democrats (and independents) might want Mr. Trump off the ballot it was Republicans who brought the case.

And removing a candidate from a ballot does not disenfranchise voters. They still have the right to vote. It could be argued that it disenfranchises the candidate, but hopefully only due to Constitutional requirements.

Kavanaugh and Roberts thought too little of the people and the federal and state Constitutions, methinks. Our democracy is quite generous, but it should be not so generous to allow insurrectionists on the ballot. Yes, I think the language of the 14th should be expanded to include all insurrectionists and not just oath takers.

Although I get your point on pragmatism. It has to be questioned how pragmatic it is to allow someone to run who will create chaos if they lose. It's one thing that you once allowed an adult to enter your house who made a mess. It's another thing to allow that adult to enter your house again when you have legal means to keep him out of your house. FWIW, the house is our Republic.

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DENNIS B MURPHY's avatar

A candidate not getting on the ballot or not allowed on the ballot is NOT disenfranchising voters- they still get to vote- just not for that person. Candidates are kept off ballots all the time such as when they don't gather enough valid signatures on petitions or if they lose in a primary election they don't get on the ballot in November.

But to the issue of "originalism" - it's a b.s made up doctrine just like the "independent state legislature theory" or "textualism" or the newest one, "historicism" - all doctrines INVENTED by conservative think tanks as legal cover for politically deciding cases.

That said, even as I abhor Trump, I too am skeptical of states doing this. Aside from playing word games as to who is an "officer" on trump's side of the argument, the insurrection clause was not well written.

Section 3 Disqualification from Holding Office

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

It says no person who engaged in insurrection can run, but has no mechanism as to how to prevent that but has mechanism to lift the ban with the 2/3 vote. It seems to be written for that specific time. It would seem that if the writers expected future insurrections they would have included enforcement or activation text in the amendment.

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