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LeiC's avatar

I think that is a brilliant idea. Too many times, people on both sides disagree with an argument based solely on who is making the argument. The thinking is that no one with whom one disagrees is even capable of having a good idea and thus people dismiss the idea completely. I love the man-on-the- street interviews where they ask people about a policy and they like it -- until they find out who said it.

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DENNIS B MURPHY's avatar

Summer's point about mathematical ability was actually that men displayed a wider range of ability with some men very high and other men very low- in short, he was describing a bell curve with different arc than one that would apply to women at the time he said it. His problem is that he stated his view as if these ability ranges (shapes of the bell curves by gender) were innate and essentially dismissed the issue of lack of female representation at the high end of the professions. He didn't seem to consider that other factors created a narrower curve for women such as societaly pressures, cultural biases. Hence he came across as sexisst. For a supposed professional economist (and full disclosure I despise is middle of the road neo-liberal economics views) he did a really shallow dive into this issue,

Quote: new analysis of math data from 22 countries (not yet published but presented at several conferences) finds men with the expected spread in scores in many countries—but not in Lithuania, Germany, the Netherlands, Slovenia, or Denmark. In these places, female variability is either greater, or there’s little difference between the sexes.

This new data would suggest cultural differences which ultimately even out the variability.

As to Rowling, she is echoing the same simplistic views of gender of the right which ignores actual science which shows that not just sexuality, but gender, are more fluid than merely the genitals one has been born with. (Curious that all these folks simply ignore the actual existence of intersex people (Intersex people are born with sex traits that don't fit into the binary definitions of male or female, and may have genitals that include traits of both sexes) also called hermaphrodites (A hermaphrodite is an organism that has both male and female reproductive organs, structures, or tissue. Hermaphroditism can be found in many animals and plants). Intersex population is estimated to be about 1.7% of the human population.

In short, both Summers and Rowling claim to be addressing issues using "the science" when the science actually refutes their positions.

But I do take your point- too often a short cut to dismiss some people's positions.

I have been called an Islamaphobe by people when I ask if they would want to live under an Hamas or other islamic government. They don't answer that question but resort to the "phobe" attack. ( Of course they will never know the numerous times I hung out and partied with Iranian Muslim students while at university who were some of my best friends and coworkiers LOL).

What you describe is also a tactic in "dismissing the source" rather than address the issue or argument.

Humorously, I recall 20 years ago in an online forum discussing politics, one (liberal) respondent posted some information and his opponent in the discussion said "those are liberal facts"

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