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Claudia Kitchen's avatar

Thank you for this article. I really appreciate how you correlate the evolution of humans and their cultures with their theologies. I also appreciate that you write as an observer and analyst rather than as a proponent of a certain theology. Well done!

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DENNIS B MURPHY's avatar

Good article- plenty to consider.

As an atheist who tried to accept religion- it didn't stick- I am firmly in the "Man created god" camp. When discussing the universe theists will say "you can't have something from nothing" and assert an always existing God created the universe. But if that is so- then it is a bit of supernatural magic since said god did indeed "create something from nothing." But when asked "well where did god come from" their explanation is a series of rationalizations as to how god always existed. I fail to see why we should accept god always existed but can't accept that the universe always existed.

Darwin and later scientists clearly explain how life evolved, not how it started. A good explanation of evolution is Dawkins' "Ancestor's Tale", btw. While it has never been replicated the Miller-Urey test did show that lightning strikes could create organic life matter from non-life matter and create early RNA. Who is to say how many such lightning strikes hit a primordial earth soup before this took place. Again, timespans beyond our comprehension.

But the next step to that is the Big Bang which theists latch onto as proof of god "creating" the universe. But that is just A big bang science has discovered. It doesn't mean it was the only big bang. Science has hypothesized that the universe, while currently expanding, could contract (the Big Crunch) . An always existing universe could have expanded and contracted numerous times over a span of time beyond our understanding with the effect of several "big bangs."

I think there is a cognitive dissonance in asserting a deity would create everything and step back. Indeed, nearly every religion asserts the opposite- that the deity(ies) intercede in human affairs repeatedly. From the gods riding in Hercules chariot in the Illiad (my version is translated by Stanley Lombardo), to the numerous intercessions in the Torah (old testament) and New Testament as well as any Norse mythology.

As to the evolution of our concepts of deities, Elaine Pagels in her book "The Origin of Satan: The Origin of Satan: How Christians Demonized Jews, Pagans, and Heretics"- she shows how Satan, the devil, evolved over time. Early Hebrews considered the devil the "satan" (small S) and translates to "the adversary" or "the accuser," a generic noun, not a proper name, and is derived from a verb meaning "to obstruct, oppose". Literally the Devil's Advocate- asking God "do you really think that action is a good idea?" Later the Hebrews came to view the snake as a symbol of evil because a nearby rival tribe worshipped a snake deity. Once we get into Christianity, Christians began anthropomorphizing the satan as Satan- a personified personality laid atop the hebrew angel myth using Lucifer.

As to historians having a go- I am all for it but you would get pushback from conservative theists who often derided Dawkins and Harris etal for delving into religion, claiming Dawkins should stick to biology even as theists were delving into biology themselves in order to try to support creationism. Theists- you can't have it both ways.

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